What aspect are the new schoolers missing in the artform?

[westcoastpoppin]

What have the new schoolers advanced in compared to the OGs?

What do we still need to work on are missing compared to the OGs?

What should all of us newschoolers be working on?

[TETRIS]

Musicality has definately improved
Obviously the masters of the artform like flattop, Bopn Andre, Wiggles, Poppin Pete, Jr boogaloo, Buddah stretch, etc etc have it beyond newschool but compared to alot of OGs some of the newschoolers are definately comming up as far as musicality.

I also beleive waving and tutting has gone pretty far as far as ideas and new concepts. I beleive old taco and shrimp skils are still undefeatable, straight nasty skills.

I think what most newschoolers lack is Presentation. All OGs have that part down. I especially feel my presentation is not even close to 50% of my capabilites. I def have to work on that.

[Graph]

I have personally only seen a handful of old clips. And I know that what I have seen (and others) probably doesn't compare to ish that wasn't caught on camera. Very similar to how it is now of course because everything isn't documented. Take Konfusion and Tetris for example, if you want to see them you have to be where they are. Well we aren't back in the 70's and 80's therefore we haven't seen shit of what there actually was back then.

Now from what I have seen, I think that technique has now become more precise and controlled, new skool and old alike. Seems like OG's back in the day were more sloppy yet still in control. Where as now, everyone wants shit to be cllleeaannn. I also agree that musicality has come up (once again I am saying this with limited old resources).

Tutting I think has come the furthest as well. I have only heard stories of the dope tutters from back in the day. But from what I understand, the styles were way different. Even when I see og's tut now they have a way different feel, its not as complex but the tuts are still effective and I smile when i see OG's tut. Jr. Boogaloo is an exception because he has some more complex tuts than most OG's that i have seen. Now we have people like Tetris and Konfusion that have tuts by the fucking boatload! So now the bar is set really high for tutting, or rather, people are now trying to take tuts as far as their minds can. There is always new ish to come up with/learn and this goes for every person that dances.

Tetris I agree that showmanship and presentation need to be worked on heavily. I see people like Salah and he has such character and presence. Just think if everyone was on that peak, damn, battles would be INCREDIBLE.

I think new skoolers should be working on making these hybrid styles. More originality. When I walk into an event and i see 100 people doing booaloo, I get bored. Now I do agree that boogaloo is dope, but personally I feel that too many people that do it look the same and there is a limited amount of originality at hand. Now when I see the other people gettin down with some nasty waves, tuts, animation, botting I am immediately drawn to them. So in a way I am jaded towards certain styles, but I also find more originality in the other styles. Frantick, Tronik, Tetris, Waffles, Tito, Tim, Konfusion, Popn Todd, Pandora jesus I could go on for days it seems with the list of people that are original to me. ORIGINALITY dammit, if you are gonna do boog, fuckin do it, but do it your way. Why is originality sacrificed within the boog style?


Thats my book. You like eh?


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[itstitoitstito]

yeh... battle mentality(aggressiveness)...as well

the most important thing to me is be myself tho...



ok now back to class peace
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[TETRIS]

tito good point there,

what aspect of battling do you think ppl are missing? is it the presentation? the aggressiveness? battle tactics and moves?

[TETRIS]

i think boogaloo is a very gracefull style and its smooth and has that pimpness, but i can usually tell when someone can really get down with it and someone who is faking it. The ones who fake it are the obvious ones, and the ones who exceed that are the ones that make me trip too. usually the ones who exceed not only in boog but to other styles usually takes the cake in crowd reaction and in battles. u gta bring the whole pie to the table and not limit your mind and body to one style.

Peeps like acki, guchion, mike from france, walid, frank ejara, bruce, they got the mix of power/energy, funk, gracefullness, and style with blow ups. I actually have noticed alot of hardcore boog heads are starting to bleed into other styles.

sometimes the illusional poppers are off balanced with styles too tho, it works vice versa, i beleive its good to be balanced in both sides.

[itstitoitstito]

this is what i think about new school vs old school..


new school

i think what most new schoolers are missing is the uniqueness... (sort of different than originality)... knowing your own character..and let it come out naturally ... e.g. tim is artistic... tetris is creative ...boppn dre has that goofy clown in him...wavomatic doesnt belong to the earth etc...
so what i meant is to let ur inner selves come out...

and ? of cos tim would say fuk uniqueness... becus uniqueness come after pureness...I agree..be pure is very important...but what im sayin is that uniqueness is what new schoolers are missing... and here is why

new schoolers tend to work alot on their outer selves ( becus we all worry about what we missing comparing to the others e.g. o hes doin speed control this specific way i gotta do that o his cobra comes with boogaloo i gotta learn that o hes doin fixed line i cant be left behind i better start doin it now..o hes headspinning without using his hands..i gotta do that etc) since this is what most new schoolers are chasin for....and it is a human mindset
if he/she can do something i cant do ..then i become inferior...
hence the outer selves we almost look the same...alot of us have forgotten what we really lackin is our inner selves didnt stand out enough

as u kno.. we have tetris clones boom ...the main reason i think is becus of this type of new schoolers mentality..

so yah i was at the csla practice... i heard what og skeeter rabbit said in his class... "fluky luke can bend his arm this way when he locks? people like it...and i saw alot of people doin it in their locking too? but i cant do it...and i wont do it..doesnt mean i aint locking... becus that is him... i am me...i do my own moves"
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old school



what i said about aggressiveness could be wrong..becus it may not be what u really are..

but what i meant by battle mentality is tho.... is something like ego...but it is not exactly ego.. from what i seen/thought/observed... is that old schoolers holds so much prides and egos in what they do.. but u kno too much of it is only hurting urselves and others(tommy boy)..so i would diminish it a notch into a mentality... only if u kno what i m tryin to say...

n if i try to explain it ..its that i would only let that "diminished ego"...arise when im battling ...just think about how cruel and raw a battle supposed to be...?? .... i meant cmon its a BATTLE!!...hence no mercy but respectful.. then? all that presentation...moves ...energy YOUR INNER SELVES would come out naturally...

worry too much about tactics..and try to think too much..but without this mentality.... things would come out artificial, plain and textbook (john nelson)

this is a battle mode :twisted: this is a normal mode :x

so better be knowing how to switch it


the above comments are just my humble opinions
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[TETRIS]

nice post, I agree!!

[duongbong]

tito. just say this. new schoolers are missing uniqueness cuz they aren't pure to themselves. they go hand in hand(pure self first though). =) love and kisses.

[duongbong]

first off...what is presentation to you. i wrote a long a very complex post explaining how presentation is what we think of ourselves...as how we want to be seen. but i wasn't sure if you were gonna get me so i'll try this way.

what is presentation in your eyes?

soh...why do you think you lack presentation compared to the OG's?

tito...why does aggressiveness have to exist within a battle?

[itstitoitstito]

looool

well i cant say im right 100% all the time so dont be too picky...
i m human i could be wrong too
just look at the big pig picture of what im tryin to draw


what i said about inner selves is just like what u said about pureness dood..

im talkin about ur PURE inner selves..not ur contaminated inner selves..not ur artificial inner selves.. nor ur disguised inner selves...


and like i said its wrong to use "aggressiveness" here..cus not everyone is aggressive type of person... so what i think is that ...to maintain battle mentality..our pure inner selves would be presented in a battle...

e.g. frantick ..hes not aggressive type of person..but rather calm and collected....he can still be a destroyin machine on the dancefloor with his pure calmness and coolness...which i assume that's what he really is on the inside..purrreee uniqueness :lol:
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[duongbong]

ok. agreed.

hey tito. my bad. i just noticed that you were basically reinstating something that i said before in another "topic", when at the same time i was trying to say that i already stated that...but it had to be stated again cuz it was in seperate "topics". sorry dood. too much nintendo wii wii.

[itstitoitstito]

ok. agreed.

hey tito. my bad. i just noticed that you were basically reinstating something that i said before in another "topic", when at the same time i was trying to say that i already stated that...but it had to be stated again cuz it was in seperate "topics". sorry dood. too much nintendo wii wii.

lol nintendo wii wii..i saw some of ur new drawing pictures man its tite why dont u post it here also...

final exams and many term papers are coming at me man.. call u up when im done with all of these
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[duongbong]

thanks man. post them here? it's a poppin forum man. unless others ask for it i will.

[westcoastpoppin]

http://westcoastpoppin.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=10

Post it here

[duongbong]

done. check it out. dedication to tito and soh good.

[spacecapital]

From all the young dancers I have seen and the older dancers I have seen now and back in the days. I believe most dancers of today is not focus on being self and dancing from within. There are some out there, but most dancers of today dance in someone else style to the T. It's nothing wrong with doing the boogaloo style, can you twist it a little so it can show who you are.

This is what I like about salah he is doing his thing his way. I met Salah at the Boty98 when I was a judge before he became as good as he is now. Shit I met a lot of the younger poppers before they became as good as they are now.

I also think that the current generation need to work on presentation. I see more dancers practice just for battles but what about performing? We performed in our battles, and we worked on dressing unique from other dancers. It was all about our dressing, how we entered the dancer floor, how we did our stuff when we are on the floor and how we exit the floor. It was all about performing, and living a character. My Character was a space out robot popper. Everybody develop some type of way they wanted to present themselves when performing.

I believe the current generation is developing very good and I'm sure in time they will take this dance to another level. One of the thing i see younger dancer doing is various styles and movements. I believe this is good because it better for your dancing when performing or battling. I always was a performer type poppers, because to me popping is a performing dance. Even when I battled I came with it in a performing concept.

This is just my opinion

SpaceCapital

[TETRIS]

Awesome break down Space Capital! its good to see a perspective from an OLd schoolers point of view. :partyman:

[spacecapital]

Thanks, I do believe the current generation will take this dance to a new level. Once more dancers starts dancing in their own spirit more, this dance will evolve to new heights. There are younger dancers doing this and this is why this scene is beginning to evolve. Dancers like Tetris, elsewhere, salah, just to name a few, are really pushing this art form.

SpaceCapital

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another dope post from Space from a year ago~ Bump!

[coco]

Being that i have been poppin for over 25 years the one constructive criticism i have would be the art of hitting is getting lost. I see alot of new cats that are so into doin move after move and their hittin dissapears. The moves are great dont get me wrong but the whole reason you are a popper is because you must hit!.. dont stop poppin! If you look at poppin pete, taco hugo or myself, we always are hittin and hitting hard!.. I love the way the poppin skills by the younger guys is going i would just like to see the art of hittin continue and not get drowned out by other moves.

[Snale]

Being that i have been poppin for over 25 years the one constructive criticism i have would be the art of hitting is getting lost. I see alot of new cats that are so into doin move after move and their hittin dissapears. The moves are great dont get me wrong but the whole reason you are a popper is because you must hit!.. dont stop poppin! If you look at poppin pete, taco hugo or myself, we always are hittin and hitting hard!.. I love the way the poppin skills by the younger guys is going i would just like to see the art of hittin continue and not get drowned out by other moves.

Word. Hitting compliments movement by pausing. Its the pauses within the movement that makes you look tight.

Its like a musician (new school) that keeps playing 1,000 different notes with no pauses. Its just gonna be one long note. Where as if you put spaces between the notes, you can create melody, harmony, rhythms etc.

Once we start mixing old school moves like King Tut with Animating or Vibrating, at the same time, we'll be back on track. Theres several ways of learning this, I beleive the ways seperates old from new skewlers. New Skewlers wanna get that pattern out and old skewlers wanna make sure their muscle control is on point first, then pattern.

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[Danis Kool]

From all the young dancers I have seen and the older dancers I have seen now and back in the days. I believe most dancers of today is not focus on being self and dancing from within. There are some out there, but most dancers of today dance in someone else style to the T. It's nothing wrong with doing the boogaloo style, can you twist it a little so it can show who you are.


Should a new dancer learn how to do that particular style correctly first before they try to twist it? Or can they twist it before they can correctly do it? In a way doing it incorrectly can be considered twisting it.

I feel there must be some degree of understanding of the original style first before it can be flipped eg even a very simple description of a style ie "Animation is a dance where u mimic the movements claymation" is all the things you need to know to do this style, instead of "you have to do this technique this technique in order to this style properly".

To me as long as you achieve that look (no matter how you do it) its fine and im pretty sure they will pick up the techniques themselves proli take a bit longer but meh. Same goal different path. Though it may not be the same with other styles.