HELP?ANY CORE FONDATION ON BOTTING,STOPPING???

[andrewSEATOWN]

Any one know pointers I can clean up my stops and bottin with? Thanks to all! = )

[Snale]

when you say stops, do mean like your dimestops?

if so, i might have some advice

[andrewSEATOWN]

Yeah, I mean dimestops! That would be awesome man :)

[Snale]

well, heres what i do

a dimestop means all movement stops, its a pause. not like a strobe pause but a real PAUSE.

most poeple just move then stop. BUT, what you want to do when you STOP is flex with about 35% power.

what you are doing is adding a very small HIT, not a pop, but a hit, so people dont see the shake when tou tense up.

you are exagerrating your stop, by tensing up and holding that PAUSED position.

once you stop, you can relax again.

hope this helps after you try it.

snale

[TETRIS]

What tabo taught me was to practicer dimestops, try the arms first, kinda like ur doin the jumpin jack arm gesture but u move them in about 5 strobes from the arms being at top to the bottom.

kinda hard to explain in words but raise ur amrs up over ur head like ur on a roller coster. then strobe/dimestop ur arms to the side (now u have ur arsm extened to the side) then strobe them to the bottom (like the stance when ur jst standing, normal)

So you would be doin jumpin jack arm postitions but only doing stop and go motions with it.

After u get the hang of that, you can try more variations of moving your arms around, this way you can first get a good feel of how to dimestop ur arms, from there you apply that same idea to the rest of ur body.

I think the body (chest/stomach) is the hardest part to control, i still need to practice that...

hope taht helps ur practice!

[LOGiC]

Brilliant... that method def sounds like an effective way to begin getting the concept.


when i think of dimestops... something that might help you:

your body is ALWAYS in motion:

....the key to beginning an isolation, or more specifically dimestopping, is to remember that SOME PART of your body always has to be in motion.


...what some fail to realize, is that the point in motion doesn't need to be very visible, if at all, but anchors and balances your body for the next randomized transition: i.e.... your breathing.

at the point of isolation, when you want to initiate the dimestop, freeze your arms in the air, as Tetris said, and when you pin-point them into a position, try this............

..................breathe.


use your arms to anchor onto the rest of your body's suspension and balance, and simply breathe in, then snap your arms out of place with an exhale.

when you learn diaphramatic breathing this concept makes more sense.

the dimestop is actually the transition between clockwise and counter-clockwise balance.....

the breath that you take.. is the wave, isolation, and transitioning force spinning your body the opposite direction when you exhale.

[iamPROTOTYPE]

this was some of the most helpful insight into dimestopping ive heard..
snale had an interesting idea, but i really enjoyed tetris and logic's techniques.. very dope!!!
thanks guyz!
eat your shrooms to grow bigger, mario style:D

[andrewSEATOWN]

Thanks guyz! :)

Big help fa real.

[Graph]

andrew i love you! there that should help with the dimestops! do you have the warm fuzzy feeling inside? well good...run with it, or stop with it, I don't know.


graph

[Snale]

yeah tabo and i have been talking about this as well

i think that a dimestop is a STOP, period

a strobe is not a STOP but a series of STOPS, plural.

there is a big difference there.

what tabo was teaching you tetris is strobing/animating which is a HUGE part of botting.

[TETRIS]

word, i agree with u snale..Strobing is a series of dimestops being done repeatdely in sequences. When you want to practic Dimestops, as far as muscle memory, you would want to repeat the same movements over and over again.Just like poppin, for musle memory, you should jst practice hitting diff angles(a hit to popping is like a dimestop to strobing) .So in that case, from my point of view, practicing straight arm dimestops in a strobing manner will increase your muscle memmory allwoing you to dimestop cleaner. Just stopping randomly at a slow pace can be a drag when pracitcing, but when you have a pattern to follow and a practice form, this can help your technique get sharper and more precise....

[itstitoitstito]

ahh actually the feel in tick and dimestops are sort of different...


when u stop ur terminating something...either arms or whole body...

i agree with logic..and thats what i been sayin as well ...breathe control...such as cutting ur breathe..or emphasis the breathe at the end of the stop


to practice dimestop... robotting is definitely the first thing to do ... patience and the sudden termination of motion is the key in dimestoppin...

muscle memory is good for the arm...but to get the general feel of dimestop...and apply it to ur whole dancin... i would suggest u to do the robot..and experiment these whole breathe control things in robot
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[TETRIS]

Good topic 8)

[LOBO]

Thanks guys ... i learned alot myself :]

[TETRIS]

Next time Im at homeland one of you need to show me how to bott. I suck at it miserably!

[itstitoitstito]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgI_BI1sM2g


hes pretty good at dimestoppin..

:lol:
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[Snale]

its muscle and ENERGY control

[Danis Kool]

www.howtodotherobot.com

[LOBO]

Those guys worship an alien @_@. No lie.

[TETRIS]

Flat Top and Boppin Andre Dime stop MAsters!! (http://www.westcoastpoppin.com/playvideo.php?id=194)

[Snale]

wow, my post never registered,,, bah, i'll post tomorrow, peace

[bboyPROstiTUTBSX]

just started looking into improving my botting, i was having a problem with creating a better/cleaner effect and practicing dimestopping

this helped a lot you guys gave me some major knowledge
thanks

[jigsaw]

A+ thread, will read again.

[madnessBBC]

That is one of the BEST clips ever Tetris!!! OMG!! That warp that Flattop did, and Andre's dancing with that precise control. WOW!! :shock: :lol: :shock:

[TETRIS]

Bump**

Potentially a dope thread~

[Boppin Tran]

Alright concerning the head, torso, and waist dimestops.

The Head: Use your neck,
The Torso: diaphram
THe Waist: legs
Ok, concerning botting from what i seen from people who are doing it. They all need to learn basic botting movements, EVEN speed between each movements, LONG extended movements/ rather then a bunch of little random movements. MOVEMENTS that make sense/meaning when you are taking of your glasses for example: do it in the less amount of movements as possible. Keep your posture *I cannot stress this enough*. Cats that tries to perform a hydraulic effect always move something unnecessary, unless that body part was meant to be moved.

Another way to practice dimestop is to simple hit the dimestop, bounce back, hit the dimestop again *At the same point* and then bounce back again. Over and over, until you get that you are hitting a wall.

Also there is alot of botting effects that not alot of people are using. Botting has more effects other than dimestops. Dimestops are the foundation of botting, just like basic arm waves to waving as a whole.

The basic Botting: Move one joint at a time. Straight foward, think of circle and a plus sign. That little image right there is how a basic robot should move. THIS IS THE BASIC BASIC ROBOT

Mime Botting: I see alot of this. Robot shields does this, in one of clips where he is in the dressing room getting ready to perform. When he kept the comb in place, that is miming.

Animatronic: Woomin style. Moving more than a joint or two, but still containing that botting effect.

Kinda like the left wing, right wing political thing. My input once again, not telling you how you should do botting, just how i do it.

[itstitoitstito]

wow tran u have good knowledge of that..nice break down :prayer:
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[paulywaulywasabear]

Alright concerning the head, torso, and waist dimestops.

The Head: Use your neck,
The Torso: diaphram
THe Waist: legs
Ok, concerning botting from what i seen from people who are doing it. They all need to learn basic botting movements, EVEN speed between each movements, LONG extended movements/ rather then a bunch of little random movements. MOVEMENTS that make sense/meaning when you are taking of your glasses for example: do it in the less amount of movements as possible. Keep your posture *I cannot stress this enough*. Cats that tries to perform a hydraulic effect always move something unnecessary, unless that body part was meant to be moved.

Another way to practice dimestop is to simple hit the dimestop, bounce back, hit the dimestop again *At the same point* and then bounce back again. Over and over, until you get that you are hitting a wall.

Also there is alot of botting effects that not alot of people are using. Botting has more effects other than dimestops. Dimestops are the foundation of botting, just like basic arm waves to waving as a whole.

The basic Botting: Move one joint at a time. Straight foward, think of circle and a plus sign. That little image right there is how a basic robot should move. THIS IS THE BASIC BASIC ROBOT

Mime Botting: I see alot of this. Robot shields does this, in one of clips where he is in the dressing room getting ready to perform. When he kept the comb in place, that is miming.

Animatronic: Woomin style. Moving more than a joint or two, but still containing that botting effect.

Kinda like the left wing, right wing political thing. My input once again, not telling you how you should do botting, just how i do it.


yeeeeeah! ima left winged animatronic party tho skewed to the right a little of the robot party :wink:

[3DANIMABOTIKKOBRA]

Damn good post.


Bin m.i.a 4 a min n itz dope 2 c hedz building n sharing knowledge.


So many uv ya'll contributed dope info n pretty much coverd everything so I apologize if I'm repeating nebodiez earlier post.








4 me in my personal opinion DIMESTOPPING (I jus say DIMEZ 4 short) iz tha main ingredient 4 any stylez that r a product uv ROBBOTTING N BOTTING/BOPPING.


Stylez such az TICKING, 3DANIMATION (CLAYMATION/SINBADDING), n ANIMATRONIKZ (a ROBOT'Z rendition uv moving in a organik or human fashion, as oppose 2 a human'z rendition uv moving in a mekanik or ROBOT fashion).



4 me it dependz entirely on wat effek I wanna projek 2 tha on lookerz.

U got DIMESTOPZ that r light n subtle, u have DIMSTOPZ that r hard n abrupt, U got DIMESTOPZ that have a tremor effek, U have DIMESTOPZ that look like u jus walked into a wall n have a bounce effek, 2 many variationz 2 name.



I know when I'm 3DTICKING (walking and stopping in a TICKING sequence either wit a HARD HIT DIMESTOP or LIGHT HIT DIMESTOP) everything stopz together (armz, body, legs, feet, head, everything), so u have 2 prakdis stopping all ur body partz together at tha samtime.


If ur jus doin a DIMESTOP wit ur armz for example when u ROBOT ur armz u would then focus ur stopz wit ur armz n handz while still maintaining ur pose, seperate from tha rest uv ur body.



Jus focuz n prakdis ur DIMEZ wit all ur body partz seperately n then try combing ur body partz together when u DIME.




I feel that 4 me (again personal opinion) ROBOT iz tha best style 2 get a natural feel 4 achieving precise n polished stopz. Prakdis ur ROBOT. Not jus 4 tha look but 4 tha feel. ROBOT 4 me wuz tha snowball that gave me a premise 2 build, grow, develope, expand, and understand other stylez that wer 2 follow.



Respekz 2 everybodiez contribution in this thread. Keep doin tha damn thang mengz n womengz.




3D

[Pixilation]

I was looking for bopping tips, but this was such a good thread I thought it deserved bumping

lol

[vinhegar]

damn knowlege bombs right here haha
much thanks you guys

[Robotron]

Great explanations, I can't really add anything to what has been said other than repetitive practice one body area at a time. When it is right you will feel it and know it.

[syphon]

Knowlage base of dimestopin. Lets make threads like this "sticky" in the boards soo they dont get forgoten ..i found it only now and am here for coupel of months ... what do you think Tertris about making a sticky of knowlage bombs like these?

[pakelika10]

......you wanna bott...betta.......read and apply the ideas you like...definately...

but check it.... on the real.........

(tetris gotta give urself more credit man...ur bot..is coo....bro...)

imo.....

what isee...when you(this goes for all who r learning) bot...is your not applying the different speeds(rhythm)...right...most of you can dimestop...good..but its the speed of ur movements when you bott....you have different parts moving simotamously...so...

...go watch a garage door spring...

watch the hinges....springs...there movement....the accual time and style.. of a machine dimestop..


real machine...real speed(rhythm) and movement..........of parts......then if ur bottin to music..appling that speed(rhythm).....

watch...accual machines....most secondary speeds..are slight....not vary noticible..but inthe over all pictur of ur bott....... its essential.....to get that unreal look

and learn to deadin the eyes......

when i worked at the wax mueseum....no sunglasses....if you deaden the eye..when you robot........makes look less life like.... and way more believible then hiding the eyes....

the look in the eyes...ive been tellin y'all... all along

ur welcome......

[wajero2007]

study this

http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=-6N_IWgBA4A

[test_this]

I was wondering if anyone could give any tips on how to do the kind of robotic stops that Poppin john and popntod do at the start of this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oGYjQAk73A. Like less of a soft robot, with those kinda bounce stops. Is it a hit then out and back to regular dimestop? Any ideas would be appreciated :).