Crazy arm water-like waves

[vnonwong]

I've been trying to do these water-like waves for a while now but I still can't get it down:confused:, I hope you guys could give me a few tips on the how to:rolleyes:. Pacman preforms a lot of these waves:
At 1:09 he does a really good example of what I want to learn.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gerwj0W8-0

If anyone can give me any tips it would be appreciated, thanks:).

[justinjaime]

practice

[2(s)hawt]

well he cant practice it if he doesnt know how

the smooth transition from the shoulder to the fingers is through the rotation of the elbows

if u already know this then u shud just be doing what the guy said

edit: oh my bad

1:09 ...yeah thats just practice man..u know what it looks like so just try it

[vbo]

Well, mine's aren't as good as his but I usually just do high speed constant waves inward (or outward depending on which way you want to go) over and over again while moving it in the the opposite direction of where the current is going. So if I'm waving inward I'm moving my arm and hand outwards.

When I say constant, I mean keep restarting the wave. Don't ever go in reverse. If you want to wave up in your body, just let it go past your elbow. I usually end at the elbow and then restart since it shortens the wave and allows me to restart faster which lets me bring in more waves with less time. But I guess it depends on your positioning. The one in the video never uses much of the shoulders and I've never tried those types of waves with fully stretched out arms. So I've never really used my shoulders at all for it. I guess I should start practicing it. Lol.

[King-of-Kurry]

hehe i remember a post exactly like this on bboy.org last year. This has been said already but once you can wave in the different directions then the only way to get the smooth liquidy watery feel is through practice.

[-miyavi-]

waving is hard.

[Boy Wonder SS]

u cant teach people waving if your not good at it...or you don't have a good grasp on it...lol

[xnguyen562]

practice bending ur knuckels, fingers.. like, pretending ur waving ur whole arm, but dis time jus use ur hands..

[TehTuma]

haha just the basic wave is hard for me..... but pacman has some sick waves though i love em

[Sifu]

It's a formula of fingers, wrist, elbow, and shoulder.

[bbkid07]

u have to get what a wave is, the wave dance move i think is based on a water wave like in the sea so were gonna go with that. which is technically two waves if u get it right. When ur in like in the 8 grade theyll teach you that a wave is when somethin goes in one direction and everything follows in a chain reaction, which means that ur dance move is only a basic, but wrong way. Let me prove it. Hold ur arm out straight then bend ur hand down like u learned to originally do the wave. What's next, u prolly learned that ur elbow goes up, but that doesnt make sense when u think a bout it. Cuz for it to be a wave, then when ur hand goes down ur elbow should follow it down, but u cant bend ur elbow that way down, then then ur shoulder down, try it and it wont work, right? So go up instead. bend ur hand up, then ur wrist will follow it up, then ur elbow up, then ur shoulder, they can all bend that way! thats the basic science class wave.
Now lets do it like the wave in the sea. I assume uve been in the sea or a lake or something and seen waves pass through you. the water goes up, then down! So point ur hand up again. Now when you bring ur wrist up to follow, point ur hand down. which ill show with an example.

Now u have three main movable body parts in the wave, the hand, the forearm, and the bicep/tricep part, and then the joints in between.

_ __ __

^ those under score will be our model since i dont have pics.The straight lines, are the hand, forearm, and bicep, and the spaces in between are joints. Right now the arm is straight.

\__ __ this is where u point ur hand up

/\__ now ur wrist goes up, as the hand points down towards where it started.

_/\ now ur elbow goes up and the wrist goes down and the hand is back where it originally was. Remember to put it back where it was.

next ur shoulder goes up, then the chest then the other shoulder, then everything you did with ur arm but in reverse with the other arm.

With this u should get an advanced version of the still basic wave. To learn how to get the advanced advanced wave. You have to learn how to roll your shoulder forward, and twist ur elbow, which u can find in the tutorials on youtube.

If you had the patience to read through my hella long reply, you still might be confused, so get the video of the tutProxy-Connection: keep-alive Cache-Control: max-age=0 ial i just explained from pacman(the guy in ur vid). Go to pacman's page on youtube where he explains his basic method which is just like mine.

Good luck with ur waving!:p

[Smooth]

I've always been a waver at heart.

One, BBkid is right on every aspect.

I just want to throw my two cents in and say this:

SHOULDERS SHOULDERS SHOULDERS.

Listen... if you want good waves like chbeeb, you have to look at his shoulders. Even if it doesn't look like he's moving them, he most likely is, and that's the illusion. You can't see it, because the wave is SO good.

But the difference between good wavers and bad wavers? Shoulders.

Elbows too.

But this is the way i saw my evolution through waving:

First i would wave only my wrists and hands, learning liquid, elbows tucked to my sides. NOT GOOD.

So i started learning how to wave the elbow (if your arms are straight out, you basically just "turn" it instead of waving it up and down, but you still are going up and down a little bit).

When you start to learn from the elbow, your waves start to look decent.

Buttttt

If you want those Chbeeb waves, you have to start incorporating your shoulder. That's what separates the "guys who are good" from the "guys who are GREAT"

If you want to be the best of the best with waving... and i'm talking top line like chbeeb or salah, learn digitz/finger waving.

That is your last step in learning how to wave and it's what accentuates the wave in just that LITTLE bit that makes it look phenomenal.

This is what separates the "great wavers" from the "holy ****ing ****, this guy is AMAZING wavers."

I dare you to prove me wrong. Go watch videos of people waving and you'll undoubtedly see the amateurs using hands and wrist with maybe a little elbow, the good ones using a lot of elbow and a little shoulder, the great ones using a lot of shoulder with a little digitz, and the top of the line using ALL of these.

Now, that's not to say that these are the only facets to waving. Great wavers also know the anatomy of the arm and which ways it can bend and move, techniques like tracing and what not, and one of the most important: speed control. Fantastic wavers can go from a super fast, small wave, to a SLOOOW small wave. Think about it.

[Smooth]

I just wanted to update somethings that I've come to understand about waving.

For one, a lot of what i said before was true, but not really specific enough. And this advice goes in tandem with Otis' advice on waving.

Truly good waving comes from rolling the joints.

To put it specifically, let's look at the different parts of the arm:

The shoulder:

To get a good grasp on how shoulder's should be waved, one should look no further than the anatomy of the shoulder. It is a ball and socket joint, which instantly points us in the direction of "rolls," because quite literally, the shoulder rolls through it's motion. You should learn how to wave both shoulders both ways, both going the same direction and opposite directions. A tip to keep in mind with the shoulder rolling is to also think about your shoulder blades. A lot of people think the shoulder iso is just about what you can physically see when a dancer stands in front of you. That is, beginners think the shoulder iso comes from isolating the "top" of the shoulder (by top i mean the part where a pirate would have a parrot. Easiest explanation i suppose).

But truly, the shoulder iso is coming from the isoing of the shoulder blades. You should feel the "tension" in the shoulder blades.

The Elbows:

When it comes to the elbows, an up-and-down, hinge movement will not suffice. This looks choppy, and was a problem with my waves for a long time. Really the elbow should be "twisting." What this means is you should to isolate the elbow by merely twisting it, NOT going up and down. When you understand how to twist the elbow (so in one position the elbow hinge faces up, while in once position it faces down) you can then take the movement further and exaggerate it. What may look like an "up and down" movement to a newcomer is actually a twisting motion.

The wrists and hands are a completely different iso in themselves, but i would NOT recommend rolling the wrists, as you don't have to. Why don't you have to? Because of the way the hands (wrist up) isolate.