Strobing technicalities

[andrewlb]

Ok so I understand that strobing is continuous dimestops that are supposed to be about the same spacing and timing.

What I want to know is:
1) When you strobe, do you have any specific things that you do (ex. moving your hands over your body, walking, etc.)

2) When I robot I tend to move 1 joint at a time, should I be doing that for strobing, or moving multiple joints while I strobe, and if so does any one have tips for syncing your lower and upper arm, or head with feet and arm, etc.

3) How do you practice stobing? I have switched between individual sets of a specific place and full strobing as well as switching between songs and a metronome.

4) Any advice for strobing with your legs like specific positions to lock your legs into?

5) Don't point me towards tyson's video, strobing comes in more than 3's :D

thanks
andrewlb

[Joon13]

Co-nee-chee-wa Ill toss in my 2 cents.


best way i found to drill strobing is to
1.place left had on lower side bye your kidney, wile right hand is over your heart.

2. wile almost rubbing your chest tick down with you right hand and tick up on your left hand intell your right hand is low and your left hand is high.

3 Now do it the other way.

Make sure your making micro dime stops and just work on your arms and hands for now, then once you get good and doing that throw your head into it and neck.

And i think strobing with your legs is ticking? correct me if im wrong. i thought strobing lives on your chest and arms?

[Tinman]

jooon you are incorrect....

1. strobing is the set of movements to make you look like you are under a strobe light. meaning that most of the time you are either vibrating in a constant motion that is making you look like you are under a stobe light or that you are ticking faster than the normal pace that is again making you look like you are under a stobe light. now the way joon was telling you about is just a way he has seen people do them on youtube videos or whatever, when in reality people who actually animate, do stobing in many different ways. you can strobe anything even your legs, its just that people find it hard to do, but ill see if i can put up a video to show you.

2. for leg practice, stand on 1 leg and have the other leg bent in a 90 degree angle while having your foot pointing up the whole time and shake it back and foward.(your leg that is bent in a 90 angle should be semi tense to create a vibrating motion)
.....once you have the vibrating motion, you want to start moving you 90 degree bent leg foward or backwards in a timely fashion so that it looks like your leg is skipping frames. now... this is hard to do but this is the way i practice strobing my legs.

3. learn how to hit your legs foward. this helps to increase the control of both leg movement and dimestoping while have your leg off the ground. you can practice doing this by snapping your knees foward while standing neutral. just like a regular hit with you arms, you dont want it to fly out like crazy, you want to control the hit where it looks like either an arm hit or any other hit you do with your body.

4. moving your arms to counter act the weight balance while you do leg practice. this means...for ex .. if your right leg is bent in a 90 degree angle, your left arm should be out in front of you, kind of like when you walk. when you walk, you alternate arms and legs so that you body doesnt go off balance.

5. most important, like ive told you in another post, learn how to vibrate and CONTROL THE VIRBATION!!! VERY IMPORTANT. LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY ANIMATE, JUST TRY TO VIBRATE AND LEAVE IT AT THAT. BUT THERES MUCH MORE TO IT. vibration is the basis for animation because it is used constantly, it helps shape your dimestop and claymation, and sinbading, and waving techniques. trust me , vibrating helps a great deal. now i know that theres more to animation because ive been doing animation style for over 9 years.

6. now get to practicing haha. jk im gonna post up a video to show you what i mean by having your leg in a 90 degree angle, and also the alternating arms and legs thing and also the leg hit.

i hoped you got something out of this
=]

tinman

[Tinman]

here's a video of me dancing at homeland. watch at 1:07 to see the 90 degree angle and alternating arms and legs movement. as you can see im not stobing during that part of the clip but its just an example of the practe stance i was talking about. do you see how i have one leg up that is bent in a 90 angle? practice standing like that and do what i said in my last post. it will help you gain strength and balance all at the same time and will also help you with slow motion. anyways, there you go. ill be posting up other vids soon once i have the time. hope this help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8A8xITP8f4

[andrewlb]

Guys thanks a lot, that helped


soooo what is vibrating? hahahaha I've never heard the term please enlighten me


*edit* I know what vibrating is, but what is it in terms of popping

[Tinman]

in terms of popping, its the movement that makes you look like youre getting electricuted or having a ceisure or if done correctly with the help of movements, strobing. j smooth does this move quit a bit, i do it too. this also helps you to hit those intriqet beats that repeat very fast. the movement is done by moving whatever body part back and foward or up and down in a fast repetive motion. you can vibrate almost every part of your body if you practice at it.
here is a video of me just doing a little part of vibration to the beat @ :15seconds with the use of dimestops and ticking.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_Mw10nmJsY

[Joon13]

Tinman You are talking about "ticking"

Watch the Video where >55secto 1:05< wiggle shows you strobing not ticking "strobing"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUd0J37omkI

[Joon13]

...jooon you are incorrect....

1. now the way joon was telling you about is just a way he has seen people do them on youtube videos or whatever, when in reality people who actually animate

[Tinman]

lol!!! joon do you always believe what mr wiggles say? or what the "EB''S SAY? what i was talking about IS strobing. what wiggles is doing is one way of doing a strobing movement . stop watching videos and get some reall knowledge. i know what i talk about is fact because i learned from the best that teach animation. if you want to see more strobbing other than wiggles, look at boppin andre.

[andrewlb]

less hate guy!
anyways, thanks again

[test_this]

Great post tinman. Hope to see more instruction/videos on animation style around in the future :D

[Joon13]

Yes Great Video Tinman Top notch Poppin there.. ok ill stop watching videos and ill stop trying to be like you the "real" westcoast popper my bad for trying to put "my" 2cents in and just because your in the westcoast doesnt mean you know more than i do. And I dont belive everything Eb's say. But i do know that if wiggz says its strobing it is. and yes Dre is The best strobber i just think you need to pop that bigg ass head of yours let some hot air come out??what do you think ?

[Joon13]

PS i would shit on you Tinman!

[Joon13]

lol!!! joon . stop watching videos and get some reall knowledge. i know what i talk about is fact because i learned from the best that teach animation..


Sounds like you know your stuff. So then You Are a Student Of Boppin Dre's?
Or are you a student Of CHadd's?

Or are you a student OF Todds?

[Tinman]

dude, joon, cool it man. im far away from being big headed. no im not a student of chadd or todd. me, chadd, todd go wayyyy back. we started roboting and animating around the same time back in 2003-2005. i actually started animation in 2000 because of Mj(tacos style)but i was influenced by andre and flat top for their really good technique in animation. and joon, dude, i never said wiggles wasnt strobing, i said hes doing a strobing set that many other people do because its easier to do strobing with your hands around the chest because there's not much energy or technique needed as opposed to strobing with you arms held out. so check your self. and i wasnt trying to start shit with you or anything, im just trying to make sure you knew what you were talking about because from the looks of it i do know more than you in the animation arena.

sorry andrew, but back to the strobing lesson. before you even try to strobe or do any animation. please make sure you know what the mind set of animation style is. the word speaks for it self, animation is a style that makes you what to act like or pretend to be or trip people out by making your dance unreal like a cartoon character or stop frame video or a claymation video. understand that strobing doesnt have to be done how wiggles does it like how joon was trying to say, because he did ask to be corrected and i corrected him. you can do whatever you want in animation, which is why this is my favorite style since i first did it. you can ride any beat, make it look crazy, and still have fun and just vibe with it. sorry for the long posts.

i hope you understood what i said haha.

peace much respect, my apologize joon if i came off like a dick.
tinman

[Riaz]

I was always taught that strobing was dimestopping in small intervals and ticking was hitting in small intervals. It seems like a lot of advanced poppers can't agree on what these two terms exactly are. I hear a lot of people say "it's just terminology" but I think terminology is important so that we can all communicate efficiently.

[Tinman]

well riaz, take the word strobbing and put into popping terms. what else would it look like? the purpose of strobbing or animation is to portray the object or whatever, to what it is. so if you are strobbing, make sure that it looks like you are under a strobe light. now the thing about strobe lights is that, you can set it to different speeds which confuses people the most to thinking its ticking. and you are right, ticking is hitting with small intervals or big intervals, it just depends on how you want to do it. but at the same time, you can mix up strobbing and ticking to give it a bigger effect on your animation. but ill leave it to the big names to explain it because no one here is gonna believe what i say. it just depends on how you do it and in the end, it doesnt matter what its called. just as long as you are doing it correctly and having fun with it.

tinman

[Riaz]

I wasn't really disagreeing with you. I was just pointing out that poppers can't seem to agree on what specific terms mean, not just strobing.

[andrewlb]

yeah I think the definitions you gave a fairly accurate riaz

tinman do you have any really good videos of you or others doing animation? Its a style that I want to get into more but its hard to find videos on I'm finding. Of course I would go session with people but Albany New York is pretty slim as far as popping goes

[Tinman]

yeah i got a lot of good videos. let me find them and upload them. if i cant find some ill make some for you. =] peace

[andrewlb]

thanks!

[Joon13]

Ok Tinman.. I Apologize for being so sensitive and Jumpy.. Nerves have been getting to me. Trying to throw the first popping show in Portland and shit is stressful. I do not know you, there for i have no right to judge you. I let my anger get the best of me and that sucks. For all i kNOw your a good dude. SO Truths im done shit talking. and You really are a good popper :0)

[Tinman]

hey andrew heres a video of me doing strobbing, claymation, sinbadding, and ticking all in one. hope you enjoy it, i put the slow motion video in the slow motion thread, as i said, vibration is key my man haha. anyways, hit me up if you have any other animation questions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMCiCIkDU9w


and here is also the direct feed for better quality.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/yy3fimgmykm/V180609_14.16.AVI
tinman

[andrewlb]

yeah I see what you mean with the vibrating, I'll work on learning that, thanks for the video!

[A_funkstyle]

...Mr. Tinman, may I ask?
About Ticking and Strobbing... it's really confused.
So is it right if I said Ticking uses hitting repeatedly in small time period and Strobbing is holding your muscle tight to make vibration in all time? I'm new and I can't separate it correctly :(...

And if so, then how can I practice it? I made vibration but so hard to control my dimestop... it looks not so tight ... give me some advice if you don't mind... thanks.