drop your animation knowledge (discussion)

[bboyPROstiTUTBSX]

Hey,

i've been watching a lot of umin lately and i also wanna work a lot more on my animation

the thing is i don't know much about animation

i kno it uses a lot of dimestops, bounces, isolation, slo mo, sometimes hard hits

anyone know anymore techniques animation uses
and can u explain them a lil more? and how to practice them?

i also heard that you have to isolate on your bounces and bounce everything but in different directions, ur body swivels side to side, and head bobbles around??? is that right?

thanks

[wajero2007]

Mr Wiggles "The Menu vol.6" + Mr.Wiggles Session vol.3 + Pop'n'Taco dvd+ Dance Style Animation dvd(instructional with U-Min) !


Coz Animation is hard style and hard to explain in words.

[bboyPROstiTUTBSX]

oo i c

im really interested in the umin one
i looked but i have no idea where to find/buy it
and is it in english or have english subs?

[Boppin Tran]

From what i learn from some of the animators that i talked with. The basics include vibrating, strobing, ticking, dimestoping and character. oh yea and speed changing

[pakelika10]

.....animation..........

First....learn the base of tickin.....

Imo..this is the part most really don't kno how todo....most think the do...but don't..


Its muscle control.....and knowin

when

To isolate....the character...or move....

U are.... try ing to..cause that illusion..

[bboyPROstiTUTBSX]

the character?????? i dont kno what that means

is character like... what your trying 2 imitate like a robot or sinbad?

also ticking, i always known ticking as hitting fast, or is this definition of ticking?

[TETRIS]

I know this doesnt show much but here is one example:

Taco - Animation (http://www.westcoastpoppin.com/playvideo.php?id=268)

[bboyPROstiTUTBSX]

oo thanks for the vid tetris

i think i kno what u mean by character,

so you pick a character, and you study that character
and then imitate it by copying it's movements and positions/poses and things it would do
is that right????

also ticking i need clarification on, is it more then just hitting fast??

[2(s)hawt]

well i was taught animation by danis kool, but my understanding of it came from that wiggles session thing as well.
edit: oh btw prostitut ..danis is the person to talk to since he did a workshop with kiki and the other guy err koteiisennin?..or sumtin like that from umin lol..i cant believe i missed out on that..anyway

well yeh here is what i know..and im not 100% if im right but this is just the way i do it

pretend u are a present 'animator' creating a character that moves and all..and is perfect!....

so u can imitate this by just simply copying the movements...

now pretend u are an animator from the 50s and creating the same character, ur probably the first to ever create an ANIMATION!...so its not perfect..theres mistakes, uve skipped frames and it looks not fake ..but 'unreal' as wiggles put it...so rather than just imitating a dog, try to make it look 'unatural'

the way to make it unreal is to completely tense the whole time (not hit).
but u can vary it...maybe keep ur arms relaxed and keep ur legs tense.
and yeh so then try animating ur character...and try to include the styles mentioned before..particularing strobing/dimestopping/speed control i think is important.

but try to make it look like the environment around u is just a green screen..like ur not actually there but just added in


ive never tried explaining it before -_- i hope it helps coz im pretty sure its help me lol

ticking?..is sumting i havnt really focused on..but ill try that as well

so yeh thats the technique anyway...but how u use it to the music of course is also what gives u that animated feel...lyk u can try moving AWAY from the snare rather than stopping?

[Man Like Griff]

dope post.
thanks for that. tuff 2 explain eh!

[Snale]

2(s)hawt said:
now pretend u are an animator from the 50s and creating the same character, ur probably the first to ever create an ANIMATION!...so its not perfect..theres mistakes, uve skipped frames and it looks not fake ..but 'unreal' as wiggles put it...so rather than just imitating a dog, try to make it look 'unatural'

thats pretty where you start to understand this process.
For me, its easier to think of claymation as a better guide.

Like gumby, you have basically a lifeless 3 Dimensional form. someone moves his arm and takes a picture. rolls his eyes and takes a picture. over and over, and then you put all the shots together and you have animation! So thats the idea, when ppl back in the days saw Clash of The Titans or Sinbad, the animation looked very poor in todays standards, but when applied to dancing...sick.

But theres a problem. We are animated, as people, thru a soul, essence or w/e. So we have to re-engineer the process backwards. Even when we are standing still, blood is flowing thru our body, skin particles fly in the dust. micro organisms feast on our gizzards. So what we have to do is learn to stop, or pause our movement.

Clay animators, Like the Folks who worked with Tim Burton on THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHISTMAS, move piece(s) one at a time. And we, as dancers who want to animate, pause peice(s) one at a time.

Ticking, hitting, dimestops, speed changes, strobing...in transition with one another...create a wierd effect when the timing is right.

Like Pak said, ticking is key. Strobing is just as key. they are all keys because they have to fit together, mesh seemlessly. shit is hard~!

you can't animate with one tool. you need multiple PAUSE tools to mesh together. you break movement up, space it out, and you then create the illusion that you are an inanimate object moving itself piece by piece.

and there is tons of more stuff you have to do. thats just the basics. thats gettin the key in the ignition and turning the engine on. then you have to learn to drive it around. using muscles you never thought of moving before.

shaking body parts, fusing styles together. hitting as opposed to popping. moving parts simotaneously. "holding" fixed parts it very crucial. alot of dancers dont pay attention to this part.

there is a HUGE difference. explaining the difference between a hit and a pop, could get wordy.

theres an interview with Andre, who imho is thee best claymation dancer at this time, states that he meshes styles together effortlessly. Hence, you have to be a jack of all trades to pull this kinda ish off.

this is definitely not a beginners dance. depending on how fast you can learn the needed tools, the faster you can achieve animation.

i need a drink.

peace

[IronMatt]

I don't think any said learn to robot first? I would say get your robot down then try animating...get your bots down and your body will already know how to animate...thats the foundation in my opinion.

Take care,
MATT

[itstitoitstito]

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[2(s)hawt]

wow..."meshing" ..i do that sumtimes without knowing but now i realise lol

thats a big help there man ....hitting is something i do least during animation..coz yeh as i sed i tend to be tense most of the time..so i guess i shud vary it more!

i agree botting shud definitely be done before animating!...

[Snale]

do you have to robot before you animate ?

are you sayin the robot is easier than animating?

just curious.

but i wanna be like andre 8)

and animate my robot, so it looks more android, and not so much like a mc donalds toy.

[IronMatt]

Get your soft and hard robot down. when you get that you will understand what I mean when I say....it's all robot. The stops, the isolation, the muscle control...it's all robot. At least in my crazy head it is...haha. Sorry if this is no help, but it's what works for me comming from a robot backround...it's all 1! Gotta walk before you can run...get your bots down!

Take Care,
MATT

[Danis Kool]

I reckon there are many ways to learn/do Animation, bottom line is that you are trying to mimic the Clay Animation look (and then dance with that movement). So what ever works best for you.

You need "more than one tool" is needed to animate. eg to mimic a high frame rate of a certain animation, u cant really strobe it, but to achieve that look why not use the vibrating technique?

I tend to tense my body wen i animated, though u can animated while not tensed (makes a different look), try combining different tensed body parts and relaxing others to mix it up.

One of main thing that Kiki taught me was his 'animation groove', ie basically an 'up down movement' achieved by bending ur knees and straightening it. For me that groove u can bridge over to other styles eg Boogaloo, Tuttin etc

For me the hardest part is portraying a character (either ur own character or from a movie, wot ever) wen u animate! Oh also portraying the feel of Funk music (so much easier done to electro).



Just go on Youtube and look for "stop go motion", "Clay animation" etc and u will find heaps of videos.... one of my fav is a stop go motion of a Green Bionicles (which i cant find anymore).


Animation is prob my fav style! I feel its gonna be the next Boog haha!

[bboyPROstiTUTBSX]

thanks a lot guys

this has been really helpful

i think ima take some of the learn how to bot first advice
especially since ive started a while ago to learn to bot anyways
and im def gonna look at the youtube vids u recommended danis

animation is some deep, sick shit

[spacecapital]

Learn to robot and isolate, that is the basics for animation. Like one post say, learn the robot, what people don't understand is the robot is all animation. Robot is the foundation of popping it give you a better structure and help with isolation. Ticking, strobe, dimestop, etc all come off from learning the robot and isolation. I'm very good in this style of popping I have been doing it now for over 20 years. So here is a break down of what to learn:

Robot: this is really the first thing to learn for popping, period.
isolation: this is very important for popping to, it help with all your moves. Learn to isolate each section of your body, while the other part is not moving.
Hitting: Learn to hit clean, and in all areas, this is good when you are vibratin and hitting off of vibrating, or hit and then dimestop, or hit with you ticking.
Learn how to rock and bounce with you animation. Yes, I rock with my animation to give it that effect sometimes.

and here are the other things to learn strutting, ticking, strobe, etc.

I have to agree it is all robot, this is all coming off the robot.
and last but not least learn a character or use your own personality.
I'm just writing something fast right now, you can ask question and we will answer it. this just coming off the top of my head, I will think and try to just write an article about animation soon. I just need to dance a little and then write about it. It could be animation 100

SpaceCapital

[pakelika10]

in my opinion....


know how to bot..isnt a necessity in animation....


if ur tryin to animate or strobe..robotic movements then..yes...


if ur do ..lets say a raptor..from jurrasic park.....

robot doesnt apply....

tickin is the base..of animation....claymation....strobing



its knowin...when to hit..and when to..isolate....ur movements to get ur desired affect....


me personally... i make natural movements..look unnatural.....


like walkin......when i strobe or..animate walkin...its not robotic...its animated.....


like i said most ...think..they know how to tick......but really dont...
this goes for og's aswell...

now we all kno..there og's that do...

but just becuz someones og...doesnt make them kno..or excell at every style......

and og's contributions will..always be there.........


but ..my truth is....i saw with my eyes....being there...and...being known for my tickin....


once again this is my opinion....

and knowin how to bot...will always help..fosho

robot is one of my main foundations aswell

but the key to animation...is tickin...and character....and knowin the difference of when to hit..and when to isolate



respect
pakelika

[TETRIS]

Some serious science being dropped by the OGs 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

Take notes people!

[spacecapital]

Just break down what is animation? or better yet define what is animation.

Animation is basically a frame by frame movement. In Animation cartoons or movies they took pictures of each frame movements. It was their way of bring a character or cartoon to life. We as poppers take the normal movement of human and have it look unreal. So we look like we are moving like an animated character.

Why is robot is importance, if you know anything about the robot dance it is a animated dance. You can look at any person that robot and you will noticed the isolation and animation movements. Robot brings the basic of animation, because in the robot dance you are constantly isolating certain areas of you body. Robert Shields have a dvd out talking just about isolation. He was a famous robot dance back in the '70s and he told me that he think people need to learn more about isolation. So he created a dvd on how to isolate your body. The robot and isolation goes hand and hand with each other. Take the time to robot and you will noticed all the isolation you are doing. Robot is the foundation of Popping. Anybody serious about popping will tell you this. Dimestopping is the constantly stopping on the dime movement that robotters does. You break dimestopping down it strobing, and you breakin it down to smaller movement it's ticking. Even the hitting evolved from dimestopping. Instead of dimestopping on the dime someone started contracting on the stops. Then you have the hit and then dimestop that boppers does a lot.
Boppers is the closest thing to an animated dancers because they are always in motion that look frame by frame when they are popping. When I stayed over at Boppin Dre house he broke down to me what is Bopping and it basic movements. He told me himself that I danced in a boppers and EB's pop style mixed together.

Well, regarding the OG's comment, I want get into none of that, because to me it is more importance to share what I know with others then waste a lot of time trying to prove I'm an OG. I have contributed to the art form of popping and I let my work speak for itself.

It's nothing wrong with any of us having different views about this art form.

See robot is where the art form of Popping really started from and from that they evolved off this art form. As the years went on animation, strobe, ticking, 3rd, etc evolved from robot.

Take care

SpaceCapital

[pakelika10]

spacecapital...juss let you kno..those comments about og's were...a general statement ..not directed at you...persay..

i re-read how my word might of come across..

so sorry 4 da confusion

juss to let you kno.....


i too have been told by dre.... that i am one of the few ..who truely understand ...boppin....(and i was honored to hear this....for the creator of the style)





and im a fan..of ur efforts to teach the younger kats

i juss disagree.about what the base of animation is.......

if they dont kno... when..... to hit..or isolate when they move...and the..character...down...







if they have an understandin of..... tickin 1st....

b4 tryin..to animatation... strobe.... claymation...

they would understand the ...the slight difference..in each style....

and would understand .the whole style better..


ive been animating...flexin(extreme flexiblity)....tuttin...waves..pretty much all styles of dance(hiphop dances included)....for 2 decades now..

especially when..poppin supposely died out...


i worked at the wax musuem....back in the day......for years...

i know how important the robot is....

but if you look at flattop for example...his 3d..animation..strobe..are not robotic movements...

the are more natural movements....

it depends on what ur animatin..i guess....

robot help yes..

tickin help yes....


not disagreeing whrer tickin came from...



to me..tickin is more of the base thats all


enjoy life..my friend

pakelika

[spacecapital]

I know of you, we have both been in this scene for a long time. I guess, I don't understand why you don't understand the important of robot? Flattop structure is heavy robotics, he just not acting like a robot, but his movements are very robotic. He more of an advanced robot and does the movement but doesn't live in the character of it.

When you say ticking, break it down because I have heard many different people explained ticking and they all look different. I do agree that you have to know when to hit, tick, strobe, etc. I do agree that ticking is very importance. Ticking is my strongest area, I have been told by Popping chuck that I'm one of the best tickers. Chuck is in Chicago and we have danced together. I do agree with you regarding most of the stuff, from my opinion I just think that robotin' is foudation of popping. Hey, we need to interview you for Westcoastpopping.com and 4dapoppers.com. What do you think tetris he's a guy that have been around for a long time and others need to know about him. If you are interested please let us know.

Have you talked to Boppin' Dre lately? If you do could you tell him I say what up and send me his new email address. Because I have not been active on the scene in awhile, because I am now a single parent. And that in it self take a lot of my time.

Tetris, I have read your note about the interviews, man, if only people realize how hard it is, and how much time goes into networking just to get one interview. keep it up, you are doing a great job over here. You're going to have your hard times, but don't give up, because the good times is worth it all.

[pakelika10]

ahhh...my friend..i do realize...the importance of the robot....

and i agree its a main influence in poppin.....


but....in my opinion......

animation...strobe... claymation..are substyles..to tickin...

the newer genration.... tends to wanna go ...for...

cake...b4 mixing in the eggs and flour....with the sugar....

ittakes the understandin of all the..ingrediences... to make the cake


so thats why im adimate of the tickin issue.....


if they are already poppin...they should understand a lil about the robot already.....


they need to know tickin..b4 tryin the the advance styles,,,i guess

when i see the younger kats their animation....is sub par(generalization).....becuz the didnt take the time to devolopin..on how to tick first...

it you ask them to show the difference between strobin..animatin..claymation...tickin...they verbally understand..but..cant accually do it.....


trust me...robot .. tickin....and hard clean..hits...are my favorite influences in my dance.....besides creativity..and grace........


i advanced the art...and just want the same for the....the younger kats

to keep the art ....growin.....forward....


keep inspiring my friend...

nexttime i holla at dre..ill tell him u said whats up.....

poppin chuck is....awesome....very underrated og...but his dancin...talks for him....


enjoy life


pakelika

[pakelika10]

.....and i would..be honored to do an interview......


i would like to let the newer kats kno..the road i travelled and the doors i helped open...and the respect i have for he doors that were opened for me...and the people who opened those doors...



pakelika10@aol.com...........

tetris.....i dont use my tmail..anymore....

hit me on this .......if you wish.....



respect
pakelika

[IronMatt]

pakelika10, loved the comment about the cake...so true! This is a dope topic to touch on.

Take care everyone!
MATT

[bboyPROstiTUTBSX]

man you guys are droppin crazy knowledge thanks

i have a few questions

i still dont understand ticking and clamation

for ticking, spacecapital said hit with your ticking
i always thought fast hits were ticks? if not then what is ticking?

clamation is also just breaking down your movements in frames??
thats a really weird concept, isnt tat just a bunch of dimestops or strobbing?

thanks

[spacecapital]

Okay, I do understand you, you are right, you do have to learn the basic before advancing on. You are also right about people just wanting to learn things without going thru the proper steps. I believe we both are talking pretty much about the same thing, we just see the level of importance a little different.

We both see ticking the same way, I love the tick and hitting these are the base for everything I does in popping. I just don't understand how many younger cats could get into popping and don't even have the basic of robot. You can see it in their dancing when they didn't learned it. It helps with the structure, the posture, and stop and go movements.

[TETRIS]

Space, I have been crazy busy but your interview and many more are being loaded and getting ready for big things :-) I cant wait. The relaunch of the 2nd version of this site is almost here

Pakelika, I will be emailing you very soon! 8)

[spacecapital]

Tetris,

I truly understand, it take a lot of time to get the interviews. When ever you have the time to post it, it cool with me, it was an honor doing the interview.

SpaceCapital

[bboyPROstiTUTBSX]

well a lot of this generation doesn't have any real foundation, it's true. I'm probably one of them. I try to get as much foundation as i can but its hard since i learn by myself, and at the college im at now ( just moved) theres no one to teach or ask for help. Also i usually practice by myself since my crew is a breaking crew and i don't hang out with many poppers. So my foundation is way lacking. I just watch as much videos of other people as i can and online tutorials but the truth is you can only learn so much that way by yourself. Most kids also just see videos and try to imitate for dances and stuff too they arent serious about it.

--wish i had a teacher

[bboyPROstiTUTBSX]

well a lot of this generation doesn't have any real foundation, it's true. I'm probably one of them. I try to get as much foundation as i can but its hard since i learn by myself, and at the college im at now ( just moved) theres no one to teach or ask for help. Also i usually practice by myself since my crew is a breaking crew and i don't hang out with many poppers. So my foundation is way lacking. I just watch as much videos of other people as i can and online tutorials but the truth is you can only learn so much that way by yourself. Most kids also just see videos and try to imitate for dances and stuff too they arent serious about it.

--wish i had a teacher

[FRANTICKSTYLEZ]

I only could read quickly but....

Damn... I like both Pak's and Space's views on this... To me just because I feel and agree with both... Makes me smile... like: damn I guess I'm headed in the right direction...

Either way its my own... but At first... I have to agree with Pak about jumping into the cake... seems kids always want to know it all before anything... I guess for me it was to show off... and just be hard as a mug since in my area it was about being hard...

But I have to agree with Space, specially now... That the Robot is the foundation of each style... I just feel I have to be Strong as hell with my own body to break down my isolation... meaning physically & mentally fit... So I can acheive that out of this world look or character... Clean robotic animation...

Sh*t... Ticking, and Hitting isn't a joke... Its hard as hell but your body should be able to handle the long hit by hit, flex by flex feel... This is my opinion... No one has to be the buff'ist... but atleast handle your own... I see poppers now a days... just going straight to the boog... which is cool... but later coming wondering why they can hit so damn hard or flex and not throw it all off... Or just look funny tryin... Cuz again to me like Pak stated... we jumpin in the Cake...

It all comes together in time...

But to better my sh*t... I've practice with my hands while laying down before I got to sleep or while I was on the phone... Or when I would want to create the character I would get in front of a mirror and check it from the corner of my eye Meaning not staring at my self to loose the look... So if I put a smile on my face... I must of done somthing right lol... however I wouldn't stop there... then I would teach my self how to isolate my hits and ticks, waves and glides... ONLY...

But seems as I've matured I got more into boppin... After witnessing Earthquake and Dre... a few others... I notice the feel they have... that certain look of robotness... I decided to add it to my style... which of course adds to the practice now... But when I would practice... I would practice as if I was giving a show... Not 1,2,3,4,5,6,7and8... I ain't clownin just giving my insite on how I would break down my animated styles...

Damn I wish I had more time to type but a brotha at work... gotta go...

RESPECT...
FRANTICK...

[pakelika10]

to the kat..bboypositutebsx...srry if i spelled the name wrong...


a teacher doesnt have to be a popper..or a person......

i have a mentor(free)......but i was already doin me....for many years.....

he happen to open my eyes ..on strobing.... animation....
all the styles that require..finesse and persicion...aswellas knowin when not to hit.....juss isolate...

these styles arent easy...

and you need to know ur..body...each person is different...

me 6'7...tall....slender.....but i will do shit that will stop people in there tracks ...i will hit harder than 95% of the poppers..og..or new...
because i kno my body.. and what it can do..becuase of the belief ..in myself....

a teacher...can be .. garage door spring(one of my favorites)........


just openin and closin the garage...and watch how the spring reacts...you will see...dimestoppin.....true mechanical movement....use ur surroundings.....

because..they are teachers..that dont judge...they are teachers of just doin.......

follow my thought pattern here?...



a teacher can be any machine.....or anything.........any movement


keep doin you...and having fun...most important...


but thats alil advice a wanna'd to throw out there...


plz dont get me wrong.....i like watchin the newer generation..and their progression.....

becuase their is some...and will be more.....


progression is reachin outside the standard....and makin ..a..new...standard....


have fun

pakelika

[spacecapital]

You don't have to have a teacher to learn popping. Sometimes not having something could be a good thing. Take the time to focus on learning all the basic of this dance. Learn some basic robot, isolation, hitting, dime stopping and learn some basic ways of moving around on the dance floor. I believe in the early stage of this dance you want to really work on developing your structure of this dance. It really not about the move, it more about how good is your foundation of this dance. I always loved dancers who looked unreal. That is why I went more into the stop and go (animation) area of this dance.

pakelika10, it have been nice reading your posts over the years. I will get in touch with you via email. Keep on doing your thing, I really like looking at poppers who looked unreal. From reading your posts it seem like you are a popper that look unreal.

It's so nice to be able to all talk about an art form we all really enjoy doing. I feel so blessed to be able to do this dance for many years. I look forward to seeing more popping on the dance floor in 2008.

[spacecapital]

You don't have to have a teacher to learn popping. Sometimes not having something could be a good thing. Take the time to focus on learning all the basic of this dance. Learn some basic robot, isolation, hitting, dime stopping and learn some basic ways of moving around on the dance floor. I believe in the early stage of this dance you want to really work on developing your structure of this dance. It really not about the move, it more about how good is your foundation of this dance. I always loved dancers who looked unreal. That is why I went more into the stop and go (animation) area of this dance.

pakelika10, it have been nice reading your posts. I will get in touch with you via email. Keep on doing your thing, I really like looking at poppers who looked unreal. From reading your posts it seem like you are a popper that look unreal.

It's so nice to be able to all talk about an art form we all really enjoy doing. I feel so blessed to be able to do this dance for many years. I look forward to seeing more popping on the dance floor in 2008.

[bboyPROstiTUTBSX]

i think im starting to grasp what you guys are saying

waiting outside of my calc class today i thought about it,
the spring thing you were saying pakelika
and last night before i went too sleep too... at first i was like huh?
then as i thought about i saw how it engages suddenly sorta like small hit move i think thats called servo then it dimes at the end and bounces
or has a hard hit and bounces
too bad i don't have a garage to look at in my dorm

but anyways i was thinking about other "teachers" and i thought about like a sorta rachet like how it clicks and has a rough movement between each click
well iono where im going with it but i thought it was pretty cool especially if i can imitate that movement

thanks guys

[3DANIMABOTIKKOBRA]

Watz good ya'll.



3DANIMATION n COBRA r ma personal favorite stylez.


Respekz 2 PAK N SPACE 4 sharing their insight. I hope 2 one day get to meet u brotherz in person n vibe on sum artistik ish.




4 me in ma personal opinion tha process uv ANIMATION goez like dis.




ROBOT first which developed my control (both in motion n stopping) and understanding uv DIMESTOPPING.


DIMESTOPPING (light or hard) in a ticking sequence came next (like tha second hand on a clock or stopwatch) . DIMESTOPPING gave me my understanding uv TICKING (both az a style n az an ingredient).

4 me TICKING can also involve HITTING DIMESTOPZ (which 2 me are harder or heavier in termz uv impact n effect).


Now tha spacing between ur STOPS n MOTION play a big part in developing ur ANIMATED effect. In TICKING typically (not alwayz) tha spacing uv ur stopz n motion r even like 1 2 3 or tik tik tik (whether light or hard). TICKING harder n faster (less spacing between my stopz n motion) tha spacing iz now comprized uv TREMOR OR VIBRATED HITZ.

Sequence uv Vibrated motion wit precise stopz.

I also found that mixing COBRA n SNAKE-ING (not tha pure stylez, but jus motion wize) like movements enhance tha ANIMATION feel n effek.



I found that creatures such as tha SINATAUR (DREZ sik wit it) n tha CYCLOPZ (TACO sik wit it) have a very ANIMATRONIK n slight COBRA/SNAKEING feel 2 them.


Remember ROBOT iz a human portraying a Robot.
ANIMATRONIK iz a Robot trying 2 b human, or any creature wit organik movementz.



Strobe-ing iz kinda of a fliker or blinking effect, so 2 me STROBE duzent really have a HIT or distinct DIMESTOP but rather a very quick and subtle spacing uv motionz in which u portray an action like washing ur face, or stretching, or drinking from a cup. STROBEZ r an ingredient az well (esecially for contrasting effect 2 TICKING).




I have learned personally from both DRE n TACO different approaches n conceptz which 2 me both werk. There iz a common premise between both uv there approaches yet look entirely different.



So 2 me both PAK n SPACE r correct.

Robot givez u ur Dimestop (or DIMEZ 4 short), Dimestopping givez u ur Ticking, TICKING givez u ur ANIMATION (OR AT LEAST GIVEZ U UR UNDERSTADING).




hope this made sense.



Respekz yall


3D

[2(s)hawt]

woah, definitely what the OGs saying..has gone past my understand of what animation is...but its just gonna enhance it =D

im going to literally print this thread out and read it....n process it

and eventually learn it through once again!

thanks for the advice all!

edit: k nvm i dont have to go to that extent..i just went through this again slowly before am about to go to sleep..but i think im goin to make notes on this anyway lol =p

[TETRIS]

Welcome 3-d! 8)

[3DANIMABOTIKKOBRA]

TETRIS DOPE CRIB, respekz all day homie.

3Dizzle

[LOBO]

Dayum Pak and 3D always Blowing my mental mind away with KNOWLEDGE BOMBS!!

I cant handle all this!!

Good to see u brotha's here

[3DANIMABOTIKKOBRA]

Yo LOBO,

good lookz brotha. Tha same respekz like wize.


ez


3Dizzle

[SpeKtaKulaR]

Man I just registered to this site today and I'm lovin' it already. This is some real knowledge boooy!

Animation is one of the hardest styles to learn. Especially because most people don't even know what is. They usually think it's Slow-motion with a little 'Matrix-like' Speed-Control and that's it. But it's a really subtle mix of styles, and if one little aspect of those styles isn't up to par, the whole illusion is lost (just like a claymation figure falling apart).

Just learning the techniques also isn't enough because you really need to put your imagination to work so your character comes alive. That's when people who are good in learning moves and techniques, but not good at learning the feeling behind the style, are exposed.

[TETRIS]

I just found this on my computer which i saved when Dr.Doom posted this i think on tha wiggs board. cant remember, but some knowledge bombs...



Dr.Doom said:

"Let me start by saying this, I don't think I'm a know it all cause I'm not, I just express my ideas and thought's on what

it's taken me years to master, so I figured why not share them with you guys.....Animation is a (STYLE) to me that not

everyone can do, same thing goes for Strobing....Animation is making your body from head to toe look like an Animated
Cartoon, or ClayMation Character.....I use to watch Animated movies or shows like Dragon Ball Z, Sinbad, Clash of the Titans,
Jason and the Arganauts, 6 Million Dollar (The Bionic Man) old tv show starred by Lee Majors, Battle of the Planets
(G-FORCE), the old ACME Cartoons with Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck when I was a kid there were so many, and I always remember
trying to make myself look like those characters, from their Facial expressions, to the way they turned around and jumped up
in the Air when something scared them.....I tried to make my way of Animation as intrict as possible, when you see me move I
look just like that Cartoon Character......Old School Animation went down like this you would VIBRATE and Pop (HIT) at the
same time......But I never did it that way cause I wanted to be different.....I would watch the making of certain Cartoon
Characters like Daffy Duck for instance, and as they would draw Frame by Frame movements of Daffy Duck moving he would come
to life moving, but Animated......And they always start off moving in slow motion then gradually pick up speed, a human can
apply the same concept to by starting off moving slow (as slow as you want remember you're in control of how you want your
illussion to look) and as you're moving slow(it could be walking, moving your hand, or putting your hands in your pocket,
laughing at someone) add little Stops, this is were Stop n Go motions come in cause that's what you do you Stop and then
Go......When I say stop n go it's really Tensing and Relaxing of of the muscles......From your arms, legs, chest, back, neck,
head, fingers, eyes, facial expressions....You make each part move as 1 you know......I would suggest watching a lot of Old
Cartoons or Sci Fi movies first so you can see what these characters look like, and the practice moving like those
Characters, and add Stop n Go motions, and there is no Hitting or Popping involved, but you can if you want to, to give it a
different look, or even add some Dimestops......................Alright next up Strobing which is actually not a dance, but
more so movement of a Strobe light......Re is or at least he use to be a good Strober, then you have Flat Top, and even old
Wiggles throughs down from time to time....You can Storbe sitting down in a chair, tieing your shoes, sneezing, wipe your
face, scratching your butt (hahaha lol) etc........Just remember to be creative, when I think of Strobing I think of the
Ticking noise a watch makes like ttttttttttttttt, or water drip drip drip drip, or an actual STROBE LIGHT, and there are
different speeds that you can move while strobing slow, medium, or fast you find one that suits you.......Say for instance
that your sitting down in a chair right, and you go to get up, alright take those same movements you just did to get up and
Strobe with it......Except this time try Blinking slow, medium, or fast (try them all and see how they work) then add stop n
go motions with it then you have Strobing....Blinking makes your mind and body react like a Strobe Light.....Try this
exercise right quick....Raise your hand up like your waving good-bye to someone, now do the same thing in slow motion, add
stop n go motions, and try blinking......Another way to get Strobing even Aninating would be to watch a movie on a VCR and
mess around with the pause/still buttons if you go slw with it you have Strobing, if you go kind of fast pressing the
pause/still button on the VCR you have Animation..........Wooooooooo LORD JESUS hahaha I hope you guys get this, I'm sure you
will, just practice practice practice........It's a lot of work, but if you can master it you will have a stle of Animation
and Strobing that no one can touch...Flat Top is still the master though hehehe.....DR.DOOMZDAY "

[2(s)hawt]

wooooo thank u!!!!! so much info...must stop reading for now...lol

[WiseGuy]

some of the best animation advice ive ever heard thx tetris

[jigsaw]

Toight like a toiger. 8)

[poppette]

From what i learn from some of the animators that i talked with. The basics include vibrating, strobing, ticking, dimestoping and character. oh yea and speed changing

TRUE TRUE TRUE! LIKE SAY YOUR WALKING ANIMATED YOU WALK ANIMATED WITH TICS AT EACH SESSION OF MOTION YOU OVER EMFASIZZZZE YOUR WALK WITH MORE DETAIL AND THE EXTRA BOBBLE HEAD MOVEMENT PUTS A LITTLE MORE ADDED QUALITY DETAIL.I PERSONALLY LIKE TO MAKE COMICAL FACIAL FEATURES WHILE IM IN CHARACTER. YEH ,THAT EXPLAINS IT TOO. BEING IN CHARACTER BUT TICKING AND MIMING WHILE YA DO IT IN LIKE A DIMEIN MOTION.

[TETRIS]

Bump............Bump.......................Bump

[SHOWROOMDUMMY#1]

Okay I Wanna Participate And Add My 2 Centavos On Animation

& A Demonstration


But I Rather Make A Video & Post It Up..


Too Much Typing Ughhhhhhhhh


So Expect One Soon



Peace




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[delocke]

dope posts, thanks for advice here people

[syphon]

yep ..I also found it later on and its one of the most usefull thread. It should be highlited more.

[illpapa]

Robot dancing is technically a part of animation.

[Sash]

Dope post Tetris and everyone else...

DOOM iz a funkin BEAST.

EZ

Sash

[waveomatic]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=U9kmjW73-v4


This is basically all we needed back then to help create our animation, there were no tutorials, or no one teaching for that matter. Everyone studied these type of movements back when I was a kid. I remember Saturday mornings watching them and then going across the street to my homies house in his garage to practice the movements, hehe.

Peace and much Respect
Wave~O

[ItsMeChau]

very nice clip waveo...i was tripping out the first time i saw one of those clips

[ilmousul]

Good post. I appreciate it
Many thanks to ur post. I love it.
That's pretty good.

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